Subject: RMC 4/22/95 Interview with Domingo "Sunny" Ortiz Greetings! This is the full transcript of the interview I did with Sunny Ortiz, Master of Percussion for Widespread Panic. I was assisted during the interview by my trust-worthy friend Jamie Jollie. It occured about 2pm in a locker-room with horrible echoes, not to mention having a conveniently-located bathroom next door. It is almost 45min long...!! First, my apologies to those questions from the Spreadnet that may not have been answered during the course of the interview. We tried to just let the topics flow from one subject to the next. Basically, it just happened. But thanks for all input I received!! :) I will be incorporating parts of this interview for an article I'm doing for our school paper, The Yellow Jacket, on Earth Day music, etc. The deadline is May 10, so the paper will come out 2-3 days later, if you're _really_ interested...In any case, I hope you enjoy this interview as much as Jamie & I enjoyed doing it! :) If there are any typos, bare with me ;) Later days- Dave Musser ********************************************************** WSP at Randolph-Macon College: Earth Day 4/22/95 Interview with Sunny Ortiz by Dave Musser and Jamie Jollie ********************************************************** DAVE MUSSER: Thanks. Alright...We got Sunny Ortiz here with us from Widespread Panic for Earth Day 1995, [door shuts in background] April 22nd, with Agents of Good Roots opening up...Real glad to have you here Sunny, uh... SUNNY:[tries to speak] DM: We'd just like to ask a couple of questions from you about...maybe you can tell me a little history about the band? SUNNY: Ok..let's see..First off, thanks for having us here, and it's really a nice day for all those that couldn't make it out here. And, uh...The band started with J.B. and Michael both attending the University of Georgia in 1980. Michael's nickname, even to this day is "Panic." And so one day he went to J.B. and said, "J.B., I want to become more widespread." So, that's where the name "Widespread Panic" got its, I guess, was first born. And then they got Dave as a bass player, within a probably about a couple of years. And then Todd came into the picture, and then I came into the picture in '85. And then we signed with Capricorn, and T.Lavitz was doing us some work with us, and then we got JoJo Hermann now on keyboards. And JoJo's been with us for about three years now... DM: Didn't he use to play with Beanland? SUNNY: Yea, JoJo's done extensive work with our friends from Beanland. In fact, that's how we met him, was through those boys at Beanland. DM: Do you think he was a vital part? Do you think they were missing something when he left to come to Panic? SUNNY: Well, you know, they were on the verge of breaking up. So we really didn't...didn't take anything away from them b/c they were already starting to disform for whatever reasons that they were doing that...But, you know... in most cases, I think it's real tough to lose an intricate member of _any_ band. And we were just real lucky to pick...to be there when the band was breaking up, to where we could actually meet JoJo and see even if he wanted to work with us... DM: Yea...Was he excited about it from the beginning? SUNNY:Oh yea, you know, I mean, I think anytime when you're working with a working band, you know, to where you can can actually do your...your art, you know, I think anyone would feel fortunate to do that. And, you know, in the same token, we were real fortunate to be in a position to where he would want to work with a band like us, you know, b/c a lot of people... it's tough, you know, being out here 200 dates a year out on the road. I mean sometimes, you know, I mean alot of people just can't hang 'cause it's a long time being from being away from your home, you know, your friends, and depending on how much you're into it. You pretty much...you gotta devote your full life and time into this whenever we're out here. But, you know, we take breaks and when we take those breaks, we pretty much go our seperate ways, you know, we usually don't hang out with each other... DM: Kind of get a little breathing room? SUNNY: Yea. You know, b/c we're with each other about 200 dates a year, and, you know, it's pretty much like a married life, you know, you're pretty much are stuck with everybody...And nowadays, you know, we're traveling with an entourage of like 18 people. So, you know, that's alot of people that you come in contact with. So, it's kind of like a real big family. And when we try to put that environment when we're out on the road, you know, b/c we're all, you know, are hanging out with one another day in and day out. DM: So...yea. So y'all stick pretty tight with each other, I mean, it's not like... SUNNY: Yea... DM: ...you get sick of each other... SUNNY: No. You pretty much realize that it _is_ your second family, you know, that everyone is...knows what they're supposed to do...I guess they know they have their special purpose and... we know what we're supposed to do, and everybody appreciates what everybody else is doing, you know, in order to get this show, you know, happening. The crew gets up at 7 in the morning and does their thing...And then we come in 3 or 4, depending on what time the show starts. And then we do our thing...So, we pretty much appreciate each other's abilities in what we do. DM: As far as the writing of songs and stuff like that, how does the group go about that? SUNNY: Nowadays, we all are a part of the writing end of it...and so, what usually happens is we'll all come up with a melody together, and we pretty much let John and Michael do the vocal end of it, and if there is some things that need to be changed, everybody has their part in it, cause we all take...all the writes are split amongst us. DM: So like y'all start out with like some guitar, and then you will try to fit into... SUNNY: You know, usually what happens is that J.B. will come up with some lyrics; Michael will come up with some guitar parts, and then we'll all get together the majority of the time out here on the road and like during soundchecks. And we'll probably just kick the song around before anybody gets there. And alot of times, on our days off, we'll do some work in hotel rooms, and we'll do some work on the bus. And that's pretty much how songs for us are created. And, like I said before, when we take the days off, we usually go our seperate ways, and everyone usually hangs out with their family or their friends. DM: A song like "Hatfield"...how would you describe the concept of that _musically_? SUNNY: Well, musically, you know, J.B....we were out on the west coast, and we had picked up a farmers' almanac, and..."Hatfield" is a true story. DM: Yea. [hoping he doesn't go into great detail...] SUNNY: There is a guy named Hatfield who lives in Sioux...back, I guess, in maybe...1800's. There was really a rain-maker named Hatfield and his statue is in San Diego and there is a lake by San Marino there. So, that's how that song came about and alot of times, I mean...It really is true: your influence of songs are from day-to-day occurences...Sometimes you're feeling good, sometimes you're not feeling good...We're in a real good situation to where we can write about it and then create songs out of it. And, you know, _anybody_ can do it. Anyone can write their memoires(sp?) into anything they want to, you know, some people put it into poems and sell them. Anybody can do it, it's just...Like I said, we're real fortunate in being able to do what we've always wanted to do, and that is being able to be, in our eyes, successful musicians. However, some people think we're not as successful as _some_ bands, but I think our roots are a little more into the ground then, say, other musicians that are out doing it... JAMIE JOLLIE: I have a question for you... SUNNY: Yea. JAMIE: Last year I saw y'all at Super Jam... SUNNY: Yea. JAMIE: And y'all played "Hatfield" and it started raining like really hard...What did y'all think about that, b/c that was a pretty...I don't know... SUNNY: We said, "well, we should get off the stage..."[laughter b/c of casualness of reply] JAMIE: Yea, you know... SUNNY: B/c, you know, number one was that obviously with the lightning, it's pretty hazardous being out in the middle of a open field, not only for us, but for the folks that were unprotected. So, we really were at a median point between we really didn't want to stop in the middle of a song b/c, you know, it's unprofessional. And two, we really had alot of things to think about right there at a drop of a hat when it started to lightning b/c of the dangers that were involved for us. And we weren't concerned about so much us as we were the folks out in the audience and everybody else that wasn't protected. So, we went ahead and finished the song and obviously we wanted it to clear over and we waited for awhile, and we tried to do another song, and it just wasn't happening. So, the _promoter_ was the one that made the call as to whether or not we go on to perform or not. And, you know, it's just one of those things to where if you're traveling, and if you see us a whole bunch of times, you'll realize that sometimes we _can_ bring out some pretty increment weather. So, that was just one of those days to where we were real lucky that we even got to play b/c even the year before that...it just seems like everytime we played Super Jam, there's always been a big, not a big rain cloud; but there's always something that usually makes it rain or it drizzles real lightly, or high winds...So, this year, we just didn't beat the odds this year [chuckles]... JAMIE: Y'all aren't going to play this next summer, are you? [disappointed] SUNNY: No, you know, we're not going to be in town...Or, at least I don't know if we're going to be in town... JAMIE: 'Cause I've heard alot of talk about that; alot of people... SUNNY: ...We're not going to do, I _know_ we're not going to do the Super Jam b/c since we're doing this thing at Chastain in Atlanta...the promoter didn't want us to, I guess, cross those paths, you know. And, you know, it's the same thing; it's just like one year we'll do the Super Jam, next year we won't. One year we'll do the Fox, the next year we won't... It's just one of those things to where we don't want, I guess, people to know what we're always want to do. We'd always would love to do the Fox, but then I think if everyone says, "Well, you know, I can always see Panic in the Fox, why go see some of their other shows?" Then that kind of loses the whole flever...favor of that or flavor of that spontaneity that alot of people have. JAMIE: That's how it kind of was with the Theatre probably...? Y'all played alot down there...like I'm sure alot of people felt they could... SUNNY: Well, you know, the Theatre is a great place but...being able to play five nights at the Theatre is good, but there is...We would get feedback from people saying, "Well, why don't you play at a _bigger_ venue where I can dance?"..."Why don't you play at a _bigger_ venue where I don't have to buy scalper tickets for 20 or 50 dollars more than the regular price?" So, we got tired of hearing that, so that's why we decided that we weren't going to pursue playing at the Georgia Theatre any more b/c it was fun while it lasted, but even in the early, early days when we first started playing at the Uptown, we always knew that eventually that was going to come to an end too... JAMIE: Really? SUNNY: ...So, we had...It's been something that we've always done. We've always seen a progression in our lives out here b/c when we first started, we didn't have any of the luxuries that, I guess, that we have now with carrying your own production, and carrying 12 other guys that do majority of all the work for us. And all we do is just play. When we first started, we were in an Oldsmobile Pontiac with a trailer, and we would use that Oldsmobile car and another vehicle just to get us around. So, things have changed, but it's always been on the upswing. And so we have been real fortunate to where we really don't need the...I guess...the big radio push, or we don't depend on album sales to survive as other bands do...B/c we've been out here for so long, and people know who we are and they know what the potential is...And they know that when they come out to check us out, that they will have a good time just as long as it doesn't rain...[laughter] DM: What did you think about Conan O'Brien the other night? SUNNY: We had a good time. They treated us with a great amount of respect and, you know, it was a fun thing to do... DM: And like the video for Mtv...? SUNNY: Well, you know, we've put out _several_ videos for Mtv, you know. Basically, for those that have seen us, all know that we're just pretty plain people. We're everyday people. I mean there's nothing really special about us, you know, none of us have plastic surgery on us...We're all pretty much are just natural people. We hate putting on make-up, we hate dressing up, and we just hate going to this, I guess, superficial person that is really not _any_ of us. And so naturally it comes across in our videos, b/c obviously we have alot to say if what goes on the video. Just like we have alot to say if what goes on certain albums. So...and it's tough for some video producer/executive to try to come in and tell us how he thinks a song should go, when _we're_ the ones who wrote it. So, we just say, "Well, you either work with us, or we'll find somebody else." And usually, then when that happens, then the producer...the video producer will call like the record company, and then the record company will get involved...The video, all it is is just a marketing toy for those that don't know who Widespread Panic is can actually see something that they're used to seeing on t.v. or they're used to hearing on the radio station. So, it's a game that they play; but to _us_, it's pretty much like our livelihoods, and we have _our_ self-respect as far as not doing anything stupid in the video, but still it coming across as a good product. Basically, they just didn't...they...there was no...What Mtv said was that we're just not their _type_ of band that would do it...and, so...Which is fine with us, b/c... DM: You don't need them. SUNNY: ...There are alot of people that have never used _that_ marketing edge of videos, but it _is_ something that...we're all, we're going to have to cross that bridge...when it happens, we'll have to cross it again. And we just take it one day at a time...We'll shoot the video, but we'll shoot it under _our_ conditions, and then we'll let the record company shop it to Mtv, and if they laugh at us, or they say it sucks, or whatever...At least we know that it was fun for us, or else we wouldn't have done it, and we don't _need_ the marketing end of it that Mtv _does_ have...But see, you really can't say...it's like a catch-22 thing b/c, see, the record company thinks that "Well, you boys are only...you're not selling that many albums. If you tried to do a good video, get a good video producer, work with a video producer..." Obviously, if you got a good song, they can make something out of it, but like that's why I said we kind of lose our integrity if we go and play their game. B/c that's basically that's what it is, they...it's all one big game. That's the only bad thing about being part of a big corporate thing like the music business is b/c besides playing, and besides traveling, you also have to deal with the other stuff involved in the music business...And there's _alot_ of stuff involved... I wish it was just getting up there on stage and playing, but...it's alot more to it than that. DM: So, what do you think the band's goal is ideally, as far as how many fans, what size venue ideally they'd like to be playing at...I mean, were you more comfortable with the bars, it seems, back in the ole days, but now you're growing with the success of new songs...? SUNNY: Well, the thing is is that our big problem was that we always hate to see alot of people crammed in a building, and we all hate to see people get in that building b/c it is a sold-out show. So, the next step for us would be to go to a bigger venue. And, you know, sometimes it just doesn't work out that way. Sometimes we think "ok...well, we played this town before and we've done real good; let's move to a bigger venue." And nobody will show up. You know, it's one of those kind of things to where... you're stuck between a rock and a hard place b/c you think that "Well, we sell out one town, and we come back the following year or two years and go to a bigger venue and no one shows up..." And then we're kind of wonderin..."Well, what did we do wrong? Was it poor advertising? Were the ticket prices too much...?" And so that the next time we come back, we go back into our files and we say, "Well, this is why this show didn't work out..." We look at all the reasons. And, you know, it's a business thing now to where...not only do we have the six of us to think about as far as livlihood, and as far as being able to pay rent and have food on our tables...but we have like 18 other people that we have to make sure that they're taken care of too. And we've always said, as part as being the musicians end of it, we want to take care of the people that work for us first, and then we'll take care of ourselves with whatever's left over. B/ c, like I said before, they're the ones that pretty much make the show run alot smoother, and without them, it would be more difficult for us to be able to put on a show like we have going on today here in Ashland... DM: Yea...Real excited about that. There's alot of Widespread Panic fans have a computer network... SUNNY: Yea! DM: You know about the Spreadnet...? SUNNY: Yea! DM: ...And I've solicited them for a couple of questions that they wanted to ask the band. And most of them, everybody is real excited about the band this year, the Spring tour so far, and they're really excited about y'all's performances...People have been to some of the shows....One guy, from Birmingham, was talking about ticket prices, what we were talking about earlier. He had said that he had paid $22 for a...what is it, the...? JAMIE: For a ticket, and like $31 for TicketMaster... DM: Yea...$31 it ended up being b/c of TicketMaster charges...What does the band feel about...that? SUNNY: Well, for us, it's one of those kind of things to where we have no say where that ticket is printed...And, like I said before, nowadays, everyone sees dollar signs in their eyes, and so TM is going to bump up their price and...Until you get bands that are in a bigger magnitude than us, like the Pearl Jams, and the Neil Youngs, and the Stone Temple Pilots, and all those guys...Until you get the support of _them_ that actually _make_ a dent in the music business to go out and hassle with the TicketMasters or whoever...You know, we really can't say, "Well, it's going to be Widespread Panic to make the movement..." B/c, you know, we're just like little specks of dirt right now...to some... DM: Naw, I wouldn't say _that_... SUNNY: ...To some magnitude bands like Pearl Jam and all the other ones... So, _they're_ the ones that are going to make the impact, and it will have that trickle down effect to where bands like us will start, I guess, getting a more or better ticket price. But see, alot of it depends on the expenses of venues...That's why if you see, you know...it's great to have a show in MSG, but in order to get a show like Phish did...In order to have shows done in MSG, you almost have to have a huge enough following to where the promoter and the band won't take a big bath if it was a big flop. You know, b/c you're talking about thousands and thousands of dollars to even get _into_ MSG. And see, that's not including all the union hands you have to hire. It's not including the special equipment you have to get...So, it costs money...and playing out here, even though you might think that "Oh, well it's playing outside..." But you gotta think about renting a generator, you gotta think about renting a stage, renting the risers, and renting security. And then, that's nothing when you go back to thinking about the promoter has to go buy a huge insurance policy in case something was to happen out here, and one of the fans would accidently fall and trip themselves, and break their leg...And then technically, they could sue the promoter...or the school. So, there's alot of ends that some people don't realize has to be taken care of in order for a show to happen. And _that's_ why it takes us so much time, b/c some promoters think that "Well, we'll get Widespread Panic in here, let's see how the tickets go..." And then, if the tickets are slow, sometimes promoters won't take that chance on us. _Especially_ if they never have worked with us, b/c they don't realize that alot of our fans are strictly like a big walk-up crowd, you know. They'll always wait until the _last_ minute to actually come to the show. You see, that's _another_ thing, see...Alot of times, on the day of the show, you can charged up to any more between two to maybe $5 _more_ than if you bought in advance. DM: Really? SUNNY: So that's where the whole key of buying that advanced ticket sale is... DM: Have y'all considered mail order? SUNNY: Mail order? You know, we're not even in the position to start mail order 'cause #1 it would cost more money b/c then you would have to pay for all the handling fees...You would have to pay for the handling fee from getting the ticket to you or having it at will call. And see, once you get the venue involved, then the venue's gonna charge you a service fee for handling it...See, so the mail order just doesn't work and the only way how I think that it's going to work is just for whenever you hear that tickets are going on sale, just grab those suckers up...B/c if you wait, the longer you wait, the chances are it's either going to sell out or you're gonna pay a stupid day-of-show ticket hike...And, you know, it's just one of those things to where tickets nowadays to see _anybody_ is expensive. I mean, why wait until the last minute? Plus, you know that if you get it early, and something happens to where you can't make it, you can always go and help somebody out and sell it for face value on the day of the show... DM: Yea... JAMIE: Yea, I tried to see y'all like in New York, and I went the day of the show, and it was the first time I've ever been shut out of a show... SUNNY: Yea. It's tuff. JAMIE: What did y'all feel about playing on Conan O'Brian? [deja vu?] SUNNY: It was fun. We had a really good time. They treated us real nice, and Conan liked us, he was surprised to hear the response that the audience had...And, so hopefully when we are out on the west coast on this tour, we can do something with Leno. It's just one of those kind of wait-and-see kind of things...If the time is right and there is a slot open, I don't see us not going in there to do it. JAMIE: Really? Who are those horn player y'all had playing with y'all? SUNNY: Those were the people that play with the Conan O'Brian's band... JAMIE: Oh really...? [we all chuckle] SUNNY: ...I don't know what their names are...yea...But we had sent them the charts like three weeks...See, all this happens, you know...a month...I mean, you have to...there's so much involved with doing a show like that...Like, the record people are like working six months in advance to get something like that happen for us...And we were on vacation when we were told that we were going to be on the show. We had to decide what song we were going to do. Well, first they told us what the length the song had to be...So, the only song in our repertoire that was under four minutes was "Can't Get High." So, we said we gotta do that song. So then, we said, "What about the background vocals?" So, we knew that our voices aren't in tip-top shape when we come out here on the road and doing it day in and day out, so we said, "We can either hire some studio musicians to do it..." B/c everything in NY, I mean, that's where everything is. Or we can get the horn section from the band to do the charts...So, we went to John Keane's and we transposed all the notes, and we faxed them the lead sheet and they just did the parts...And we went up there for rehearsal the day of the show, and they knocked it out the first take. And so we weren't even worried about that. We figured that they had their parts down...We just had to worry that and make sure that none of us were sick, or...We pretty much just all had a good night's sleep and didn't stay up real late that night before so that we would look like skeletons... DM: What does the band think about the radio success of "Can't Get High"? SUNNY: Well, "Can't Get High" is a good song, and so we pretty much just let the song speak for itself...To us, you know, I think that there are other songs that are just as good as "Can't Get High", but for some reason the radio people really liked that song... DM: [loses train of thought] Um, that's a good song...I mean I like it alot... SUNNY: Yea, it's a good one. JAMIE: Y'all have been bringing back alot of other songs like "Michael" and "Impossible Song" that... SUNNY: "Michael"'s a good song, you know, it's called "Give Me". JAMIE: "Give Me"? SUNNY: "Give Me"...That's... JAMIE: Yea, cause I've heard it called like "Kiss On Tuesday" also... SUNNY: No...It's "Give Me"... JAMIE: "Give Me"? SUNNY: That's the name of the song. JAMIE: Allright...and yea, like "Impossible Song", you know, I've heard it played... SUNNY: Yea. What we're trying to do now is that, believe it or not, we're starting to do song lists, or keeping records of the...song list b/c that way we won't just seem like we're doing all these songs and forgetting a whole bunch of songs...We're actually writing down the songs that we do, so that the next night comes, we _try_ not to do the same songs over and over again. And so...Last night we did "Coconuts"! JAMIE: Yea, I heard...in Philly, but wait, Richard told me you had only like 400 people there... SUNNY: Yea. JAMIE: How was that playing for such a small crowd? SUNNY: It was ok... JAMIE: Really? SUNNY: Yea...you know... JAMIE: Kind of like the older days...? SUNNY: You know, it doesn't matter, you know, just as long as the p.a. works, and it sounds good...I mean...you know...Crowd size to us, as long as they're into it...as long as you're not throwing stuff at us, we figure we're doing ok... JAMIE: Yea...Did you play with the last BarTab they had down in Athens? SUNNY: No. JAMIE: You didn't? B/c my girlfriend was... SUNNY: I usually don't try to make those kind of things...I mean I really don't...you know... JAMIE: B/c I've heard a couple of tapes that my girlfriend was at the last one...And she told me that the crowd just seemed really dissapointed for some reason... SUNNY: Yea. Alot of people were really expecting us to do it, but we really, we really...we just do it just to help friends out... JAMIE: Yea... SUNNY: And in that situation, unfortunately, it was one of those kind of things to where we tried to help our buddy out, and there was nothing that we could do, you know, it was his time to go...So, that guy's dead...so... DM: [quickly, since sour subject brought up] What about el Laguna Seca Daze? SUNNY: Yea. DM: Are you going to that this summer? SUNNY: They say we are, you know...I can't really say b/c...For me, all I really worry about is what day we start and what day we end. I figure that whatever comes inbetween there, I'm already out here, so they can do with me what they want to...But, yea we heard that we're doing it, and then some place like on the InterNet, they were saying that they had heard that it was going to be at Monteray(sp?) or something like that...So I really don't know _what_ the scoop is...You might ask Derk, our tour manager. He'll probably have a better grip on it than me. DM: And why don't y'all play H.O.R.D.E. any more? SUNNY: B/c it just didn't get to be fun any more, you know...It was the first two years were fun for us...We got to hang out with all of our buddies...And, when it was time to...Even with the 2nd one, it was starting to be a hassle b/c some people had patented the _name_ of "HORDE", which means that if you buy something or if you create something and you patent it, then if you want to be a part of it, you almost have to like _buy_ into it... DM: So, then you would be labelled like a "HORDE" band...? SUNNY: Well...not not not not _that_...But, I mean, I'm saying that it be just like going to L.A. back in the old days when you had to pay to play in some of the prestigious clubs...So, we felt like, "Well, we'll only do the HORDE the second year, only if we don't have to _buy_ into the HORDE corporation", which they had established. And so, through alot of legal hassles, they said, "You guys can come on in..." And so, when the option came to us to do it the third year, we automatically said no for...Reason #1 was b/c we really wanted to spend alot of time pushing "Ain't Life Grand"...And reason #2 was b/c we felt like we weren't going to be able to play for an hour, maybe an hour and 15 minutes, like we had wanted to...And third was b/c basically at the time, or the time alotted for us, no one was going to be coming to the show, you know, at 4 o'clock in the afternoon...And then, to pay that amount of ticket price, and if they only wanted to hear us, I mean, that would make us pretty much look like a bunch of money-hongers, and we really didn't want to do that, so...And, the last thing, you know, the Allman Bros. _explicitly_ had asked for, they wanted their set to be 2 hrs and 30 minutes long, _period_. So, when you start back counting from curfew time 2 1/2 hours back, and you got bands like Blues Traveler, Big Head Todd, and whoever, and us, I mean, that would make us start like at 2 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon...And we really didn't want to do that. JAMIE: Yea, I noticed y'all only like headlined 7 of the shows or so... SUNNY: What's that? JAMIE: Like on the _2nd_ HORDE tour, like only headlined like 7 or 8 of the shows and BT... SUNNY: Yea, I forgot how many we had headlined, but I realize that we also had done...Some of the shows were split between the North and the South with BT and us... JAMIE: Why was that they headlined so many _more_ shows it seemed like than y'all did? SUNNY: B/C they were doing alot more northern shows than southern shows... JAMIE: Oh ok... DM: Well, as far as a live album...Are y'all thinking about that these days? SUNNY: Not right now...We pretty much don't anticipate having a live album... You know, everybody else has live copies of us [chuckles]...Why should we go out and spend money on a live album when everybody else has the tapes? DM: With the soundboards...Why isn't there any soundboard patches? SUNNY: _Mostly_ b/c for that reason...You get involved with a record company if you go out and start selling it.[door slams in background] Then you get, you're infringing on Capricorn's domain...And, in order for that not to happen the best way so that _you_ do not get sued by the record company is [door slams yet again]...is are no digitally outputs out of the board...It only protects you. For us, it's one of those kind of things to where it's...in the _norm_ of the business, music business end of it, it's not even allowed...But, we make the exception, and I'm sure BT and Phish does too, make the exception of allowing tapers...But, once you get hooked up to the board, and then once you start distributing it...And then, _unfortunately_ there are some people that look to it as a money-make adventure, then you're pretty much infringing on Capricorn's rights b/c they pretty much have the right to record us, and they're the ones that give us money to make albums like "Ain't Life Grand" and "Everyday" and the self-titled and "Space Wrangler". DM: What are some of the bands you've enjoyed jamming with on stage...? SUNNY: Well, we've been real fortunate to hang with BT, Phish...Spin Drs, ARU, so...Those would be our top... DM: What do you think about the recent splits with ARU? SUNNY: Well, you know, people gotta eat...And so it's just one of those kind of things to where some people are fortunate like us to have a fan base that will come out and support us, and some people aren't, where they're really are struggling to get in a situation like this. DM: Well who are some of y'all's influence on in _your_ music? SUNNY: You know, pretty much we're six of us, we all come from different back- grounds...I mean, we go anywhere from New Orleans... DM: Hey, I'm from New Orleans...[what a coincidence!] SUNNY: ...All the way to Santana, to Neil Young, yes, you know it's just so diverse b/c we're all from different ages, we're all from different back- grounds... DM: What about _your_ influences? SUNNY: _My_ influences are strictly the afro-cuban, you know, Santana, like Mongo Santo Maria(sp?), Tito Fuentes, Aerto(sp?), Earth, Wind and Fire... I like the Caribbean music, I mean there's just so much of it. But we're all from different backgrounds and grew up in different cities, and so it all just comes together when we're up on stage. DM: Yea, you have alot of instruments up on stage around you that you play with...I just admire the fact that you just go from one to the other and it's like, do you, is it like impromptu while you're on stage? SUNNY: Pretty much it's just all different parts...It's just like if you've ever studied music, and I'm sure people have, they realize that everyone has a part to play and different instruments, different tones change the moods of certain songs...And with percussion, it's more of a color than it is a tonal, b/c it's all rythymical...So, they're pretty much parts that I've learned to play just in having to go to school, not so much learning how to play parts, but just learning that you can change the mood of a song by adding a shaker instead of a tambourine, or hitting a cymbol instead of a congo, and vice versa. So, it's all parts, it's all pretty much thinking of doing it before you actually do it. DM: Yea, like with "Hatfield," I think that definitely affects the mood, I mean you can feel one way at the beginning of the song... SUNNY: Yea... DM: ...Then it starts to rise... SUNNY: "Hatfield" was one of the songs that was, that we wanted to add so much to it but we didn't want to take away from the vocal of the song b/c we wanted to have a story line. But we didn't want to over-emphasize _anything_, whether it's guitars, or drums, or bass or keyboards. We pretty much want the _vocals_ to be the more out front than anything else...Except for the live performances...Then, we're totally different. DM: What is one of your favorite instrumentals? SUNNY: I like "Liza"...I like "L.a." "L.a." is probably a real good one... and alot of people that _I_ know like that song too. DM: Yea, it's a _very_ good song...I enjoy it alot...What about a song like "The Earth Will Swallow You"? Wouldn't today be a _great_ opportunity to... SUNNY: You know, I don't know...Like I said, we don't know _what_ we're going to do until right before we get on stage...So, I don't know...I'll throw that into the hat and...[chuckles] But, it's just one of those kind of things to where we try to do as many songs as we can, and sometimes we remember, some- times we don't... [editor's note: they didn't remember :( ] DM: Great...Allright, well I appreciate the opportunity to... SUNNY: Alright! [seemingly relieved that ~40min interview is over] Thanks! DM: ...We're _really_ looking forward to the show... JAMIE: Yea, thanks. SUNNY: ...We got Sunny Ortiz with my friend Jamie Jollie, and...we appreciate it...! And Randolph-Macon College thanks you all!! SUNNY: Thank you THANK you thank you THANK you...[spinning the mic in his hand...] Thank you THANK you... [laughter] DM: Allright... [THE END, as Sunny bolts back to the stage to get ready...] :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) ****************************************************************************